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Las Vegas Shooting

Discussion in 'In The News' started by Flamingsuit, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. MCW Sky

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    I have not been in the venue but I have seen it from inside the Mandalay Bay looking down - and I am not sure with a wide open outdoor space how they could have had clearly marked exits.
     
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    I just read that the security guard (Campos) has been arrested as an accomplice.
    Then I read that it's a made-up story. You know... fake news.
    Does this get any weirder?
     
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    Just saw a video that pointed out that story was posted on a site made to look like CNN but the url and the domain registration indicated that it was created yesterday.

    I’m beginning to wonder if a projectile was recovered from the security guard’s wound and if it matched any of the weapons in the hotel room or was it self inflicted.

    Seriously I am trying not to be a conspiracy theorist on this but it’s not easy.
     
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    Gun laws are coming from the Republicans . You may want to start contacting your representatives!
     
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    This is true and worthy of it's own thread. The intentional ambiguity of the proposed bill is an open door to future regulations by the BATFE (aka: NO due process, beuracratic interpretation ONLY) and we all know how that goes.... not our way.
     
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    How about the maker of the windows? They shouldn't have been able to be broken or shot through, you know.
     
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    And the security door which should not have been able to be compromised.
     
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    I did read (Drudge)that Campos was not registered in Nevada as a security guard.
     
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    has anyone watched this supposed "forensic acoustic proof of a second shooter". If so, what is your take on what this guy is saying? Someone directed me to this and it SOUNDS legit, but that doesn't necessarily always mean its legit. So, I thought I would put it on here for my fellow misfits to take a gander at and give me their thoughts on it.

     
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    I Really like his approach and feel the info was decent. I'm afraid it's so hard to know without being there. Some of the audio is super loud for the 500 yard distance.
     
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    I only heard one gun at a time. Tow shooters is still a possibility but I only heard one gun.
     
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    Related to bump stocks... Isn't it possible that there could have been more KILL shots had he fired exclusively semi-auto. Well, maybe not with him shooting but one of you, or me. I feel like, given the time he was in free fire mode I could have killed more poeple.

    Forgive me, it's hard to put yourself there. Impossible really. But, with 3 to 5 seconds between shots, with good optics, sighted in for that distance it just seems like more people could have died. Perhaps fewer wounded.

    So, educate me. Valid point? Full of what makes the greass green. Why? I thnk R3dbull... may have touched on the semi-auto angle early on. Just too lazy to go back. So, there's that!
     
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    I still highly agree any event with 20,000 people should require a trained crew including a high powered rifle and night vision. Could be an after thought, sure! But I have seen the requirements for several events with thousands of people attending.
     
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    Several observations on that video.
    He assumes that the rounds were 55 grain and barrel length of 16” and 1:7 twist. All could be wrong though might not alter the results much.
    He dismissed echoes but what if some of the report sounds recorded where in fact echoes which bounced of a surface which accounts for the additional fraction of a second for those sounds to arrive.
    How does he know that a specific projectile strike sound corresponds to a specific report sound?
    Since some of the rounds hit people they would not have made the same sound as one striking the pavement and he could be missing the actual last projectile sound so a comparison of the space between strikes and the total number of strike sounds vs report sounds might be helpful.
    What effect does movement of the recording device and obstructions between the device and the sound source have on the waveforms?
     
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    Have we talked about the shots fired at the airport fuel tanks across the way?
     
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    My wild ass guess is that those were the first shots out the window. When the tanks didn't blow he went to plan b. Had the tanks blew easily casualties would have been terrible. And he could have made a quick getaway.
     
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    I did hear about that though I think at the time they weren’t sure if that was intentional or incidental. Though they went on to talk about how easily the fuel could have been ignited. Which smacks of movies and tv as the source of their knowledge of ballistic and ignition and makes me wonder how anyone over 10 years old hasn’t at least heard of the MythBusters and that they have done such test, even if you don’t remember the results.

    There is a list on cracked.com of things that are surprisingly legal and on the list is Tannerite which included a description of coating a car with it to make a big explosion and that it can be ignited with heat, both of which indicate a pretty serious lack of understanding of how tannerite works.
     
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    It's been mentioned, but no discussion. What dp we know about them? My only thought is the shooter tried the week prior to buy M196 rounds but was unsuccessful (tracers).
     
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    That's right. Now that you mentioned it I remember hearing that too. Does anyone know if the tanks were even penetrated or were the bullets bouncing off?
     

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