MAD Black Plus Coating Anyone?

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Flamingsuit

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I just hear about this coating on an AR15 BCG, supposedly hundreds of times better than NiB as far as slickness and corrosion resistance goes...

I wish I had more information, but saw one reference to it on ARFCOM and one on Glock Talk (yes, I showered after visiting there).

Also supposedly you can finish your hammer and other moving parts in it. Just curious if any of our smiths or geeks have heard of it.

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I just hear about this coating on an AR15 BCG, supposedly hundreds of times better than NiB as far as slickness and corrosion resistance goes...

I wish I had more information, but saw one reference to it on ARFCOM and one on Glock Talk (yes, I showered after visiting there).

Also supposedly you can finish your hammer and other moving parts in it. Just curious if any of our smiths or geeks have heard of it.

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First I have heard of that one...

I have a couple Nickel Boron BCGs and I have been quite impressed with the ease of cleaning and the retention of lubricant; I'd be willing to give one a try, provided they don't cost an arm and a left nut
 

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Mad???
Black???
Sounds like someone trying to capitalize on the racial tensions of our times.

Seriously, I’ll have to look this one up. Haven’t heard of it.
 

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I found their website - here's the page where they talk about it. Apparently have their own 1-mil thick Cerekote formula, and then a separate "Mad Black Plus" that is designed for applying at .5 mil layer thickness and even slipperier.
https://madcustomcoating.com/mad-black/

It does look like their BCG costs an arm and left nut, though - $225.00
https://madcustomcoating.com/product/mad-black-bcg/

I wonder if it's worth it? I've gotten used to seeing rifles run drier because FrogLube, so it doesn't scare me to think this coating could in fact be self-lubricating and easier to clean.
 
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From what I can discern, it appears to be an impregnated heat-cured ceramic film (i.e.: CeraKote). Of course, it is going to be a bit more corrosion resistant than any metallic deposition since metals are typically more reactive than ceramics.

The language they use here-

''MAD Black Plus is self-lubricating and does not require any oil to operate. NP3, NiB and Melonite finishes still require oil to operate properly and to keep from corroding. However, we do recommend using a very light coat of oil when you can, although, it is not necessary for proper function. The light coat of oil only increases the longevity of the product during use.''

-is a bit self-contradictory, in that in the first sentence they claim that the Mad Black finish does not require oil, but the in the last sentence they back-track a bit by saying that using oil ''increases the longevity of the product during use''. It looks like they wish to have it both ways with this little disclaimer "does not require oil, but use oil to increase longevity" insofar as their claim that the finish is self-lubricating. Either it does, or it does not.

My ''B.S. detector'' also 'pings' a little when they compare the Mad Black coating to gaseous, salt bath, ion/plasma assisted, or fluidized-bed ferritic nitro-carburizing processes like Melonite, Tufftride and Tenifer, etc. These processes, on a well-prepared substrate, produce highly corrosion and very hard (wear-resistant) surfaces that are equal in corrosion resistance and more wear-resistant than any heat-cured coating could ever be and they don't effect tolerances upon application. I smell 'double-talk', but that is just my own cynical nature (or to put it another way- 'Actual proof talks, puffery walks').

I suspect that their claims are probably a bit of 'sales hype' to a certain degree; a mix of facts with some slight exaggeration of certain facts. In the end, I think that what we are being sold is just a modified Cerakote formula (with an extra additive or two) and that it is just as good as Cerakote always has been. It is probably a fine product, but with the tariff at $225 + tax; that is up to the purchaser to decide for themselves if it is worth it.

For now, I'll pass.
 

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Self lubricating could mean that the coating reduces friction to the point where lube isn’t necessary.
The bit about increasing the longevity could be that it operates fine without lube but the coating will wear faster, though still perhaps very slowly, without any lube than with some.
Or perhaps the oil is meant to transfer to the mating surfaces while if they were also coated with the same stuff then no oil would be needed for longevity.
 
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Self lubricating could mean that the coating reduces friction to the point where lube isn’t necessary.
The bit about increasing the longevity could be that it operates fine without lube but the coating will wear faster, though still perhaps very slowly, without any lube than with some.
That's very much what I was saying and I agree with you. I am just having a hard time with their claim that it doesn't require any oil at all to operate. If that was the case, there would be no need to make the disclaimer that they do. I mean, you can run an engine without oil too, and adding oil will increase its longevity also.

Or perhaps the oil is meant to transfer to the mating surfaces while if they were also coated with the same stuff then no oil would be needed for longevity.
Huh? Clarify, please. Not following what you are saying.
 

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Huh? Clarify, please. Not following what you are saying.
I was just thinking that magnet the oil is meant to reduce any friction caused by the surfaces inside the upper against which the BCG moves. If those surfaces were treated with the same coating would the combined reduction in friction result in no need for oil and no reduction in longevity.

It another way to say that wouldn’t be if you have one frictionless surface what happens when you rub it against a non-frictionless surface compared to two frictionless surfaces against each other.

And yes I am speculating into a realm byond which the product is likely to be operating.